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Les Disques Du Crepuscule

Postby Cyclo2000 » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:05 am

I wrote here earlier in the posts that Josef K’s single “Sorry for Laughing” didn’t actually come out on Postcard but was a co-operation with Les Disques Du Crepuscule.

For the obsessive then: Disques Du Crepuscule had an interesting association with UK Indy music in the late 70’s/early 80’s, particularly with Scotland and Manchester (in the shape of Postcard and Factory records). A Factory package tour hit Benelux around this time. My own band played at au Plan K in support of a Richard Jobson gig in 1981. Crepuscule started in 1980, when A Certain Ratio's Shack Up 7" was released, carrying a double label identity: Factory Benelux/Les Disques Du Crepuscule. The 7" was followed by the even rarer (I’ve got one!!!) and exquisitely beautiful The Durutti Column's Lips That Would Kiss Form Prayers to Broken Stone 12" in October.
The first true Crepuscule product, the cassette compilation From Brussels with Love was put together between July and October 1980, appearing in the UK in November. Its release marked the parting of Factory Benelux and Crepuscule, although both labels kept operating from the same offices! Even in early 80's independent music circles, From Brussels with Love, originally packed in a clear PVC pouch including a 16-page booklet, was something of a stranger. It was an unusual mixture of pieces from well known and less well known artists -Thomas Dolby, Richard Jobson, Michael Nyman, Vini Reilly, Brian Eno- all that despite just being an 'aural magazine'. Crepuscule's first proper record, in January 1981, was Mozart, a 7" (previously released as In Re Don Giovanni on Piano in 1980) containing three short pieces by the then unknown Michael Nyman, who'd already contributed to From Brussels With Love. Being an odd choice for a single, Mozart now is a sought after record.
As a company they released records by Manchester’s 23 Skidoo and Cabaret Voltaire and their publishing company put out Richard Jobson’s book of poems, “A Man for All Seasons”. They recorded a 12” for Bourgie Bourgie which never came out and the Jazzateers LP, released in the UK through a deal with Rough Trade.
Brussels being an international city, Crepuscule soon spread its tentacles abroad. In 1982 Operation Twilight (UK) and Crepuscule America were launched. Both were short lived and the US section (run by Factory US supremo Michael Schamberg) issued only one record: Paul Haig's Running Away 12", which is now rare and desirable. (I’ve got one folks!!!!)
The Pale Fountains “Thank you” was recorded for Crepuscule although it came out on Virgin. Same goes for their album.

In 1983 Crepuscule signed a UK/Benelux distribution deal with Island for Paul Haig. As a result of this deal Paul Haig's Rhythm of Life LP went into production in New York. Island and Crepuscule released 3 singles from the album: Heaven Sent, Never Give Up and Justice. They all failed to chart, maybe because the sound of Rhythm Of Life didn't appeal to the people who liked Josef K. The album itself sold rather well though in all European markets, so the US market seemed to be a logical next step but Island decided not to release the album over there. In 1990 Crepuscule proposed to release Rhythm of Life and the New York Remixes album together on one CD but apparently Haig vetoed the idea.
There were further Haig records on Crepuscule that I know about, The Only Truth and The Warp of Pure Fun EP. He left to sign for Circa but there is a “sort of available” compo of his DDC stuff called European Sun.
The Associates Allan Rankin also put out two solo albums on the label, The World Begins To Look Her Age and She Loves Me Not. Their was talk that Billy McKenzie would be collaborating with ZTT’s Trevor Horn for the label on a version of the Associates Reach The Top but it came to nothing.

My association with Crepuscule ended around this time although I know the label continued in one form or another till the mid 90’s cos around that time Paul Haig returned to Crepuscule with Coincidence Vs Fate, containing most of the tracks from his (probably rightly) unreleased 1991 Circa album Right On Line. The remaining tracks from the Circa album can be found on the Surrender CD-EP which I must say I’ve neither heard nor seen. A search online suggests the label folded in 1997.
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby Josef » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:15 pm

Aargh. Set The Tone? A bit like Rip Rig and Panik? 8O I feel a lie down in a darkened room coming on. STT were the Glasgow equivalent of Sigue Sigue Sputnik - hyped to high heaven on programmes like The Tube, but deservedly sinking like a stone when the public got to vote with their wallets. Scarcely to be compared with the mighty Bristolian combo (to whom I still listen regularly).

Several of the Paul Haig records mentioned - and a good deal of Benelux/Factory stuff in general - is still available via the LTM reissue label, including the From Brussels with Love compilation and a Paul Haig rarities album featuring collaborations with Edinburgh's rather interesting Fini Tribe, and Cabaret Voltaire.

Paul Haig also released several cassette-only recordings on his own - yes- Rhythm Of Life label. I wouldn't recommend seeking them out.
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby Dexter St. Clair » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:46 pm

I went to find Rap your Love / dance Sucker by Set the Tone but it's on a shelf somewhere but I found this on E bay

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Kenny Hyslop, Bobby Paterson and despite working beside the singer's sister I cannot recall her name. They need a good riff for a hit. Rip Rig and Panic found it for pigbag

and this on a shelf

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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby Schiehallion » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:21 pm

Technically outside the city boundary but The Redhurst Hotel on Eastwoodmains Rd between Speirsbridge and Clarkston Toll has its own wee bit of rock 'n roll history.

It was here on the night of 9th February 1974, Thin Lizzy (at that time comprising Phil Lynott, Brian Downey and Gary Moore) stayed after playing a gig at Glasgow University.

A young (and probably drunk) Brian Robertson (who went to my school, Eastwood High) gatecrashed the hotel and started playing Lizzy songs to Brian Downey. A few months later he was invited to audition in London and joined the band later playing on The Boys Are Back In Town etc.
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Re: The Sound of Young Scotland

Postby TommyDGNR8 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:44 am

Cyclo2000 wrote: an LP, "This Heaters on Fire"


Ha! Ha! That's the best typo I've seen in ages - The Heather's On Fire

Four pages and no mention of the Apollo? I suppose it's been pretty comprehensively covered by Martin Kielty;
http://www.inthewilderness.com/apollo/

If you're interested in the 80s pub scene, there's loads of stuff here (check out the MySpace links for recordings);
http://www.glasband80.co.uk/

First visit in a while, BTW - love the new look.
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Pedantry Alert!!!

Postby Cyclo2000 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:23 am

Those not of a pedantic bent look away now...

Pappas Got a Brand New Pigbag was a hit for....Pigbag, not Rip Rig and Panic, who never had a "hit" as such. TBH I so struggled to remember anything they did I googled them. Sublimely, one of their B sides is entitled "Blip This Jig It's Shamanic" which is so good I'm gonna start saying it to people when I wanna show them something I think worthwhile.
Ol' Cyclo points at GKC buildings - "Blip This Jig maaan - It's Shamanic!"

For the record, "This Heaters On Fire" is Alan's idea of humour, not mine. Well done though.

Brian Appleyard chimes in his thru'pence

Although I never met anyone or had any connection to Rip Rig and Panic, I did play a series of gigs with a band from the borders who styled themselves the Scottish answer to R,R&P. They were called "Rip, Strip and F*ck It" and both played and turned up for their gigs stark naked. To see them get out the van and start setting up (on the odd occasion where the promoters didn't chuck them oot) was an initiation in itself. Rubbish band but great fun to tour with.
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Re: Pedantry Alert!!!

Postby Dexter St. Clair » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:21 pm

Cyclo2000 wrote:Those not of a pedantic bent look away now...

Pappas Got a Brand New Pigbag was a hit for....Pigbag, not Rip Rig and Panic, who never had a "hit" as such.



Fuck it I've gone senile. So much for my plan to appear on Mastermind specialist subject Bristol bands. I noticed the first sign when I bought this record Image twice. Once for 10p in the Barras then twice when I spent a £1 on it on ebay.
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby Cyclo2000 » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:23 am

This had slipped my mind until a few moments ago.

Jack Bruce is from East Kilbride (or at least his maw used to live next door to Joe MacIvor, a retired policeman who used to have a four track in his spare room). She came in once when I was there, back in about 1980. She saw us with the guitars in Joes front room (that many wee bands used to get a tape done by Joe that sometimes you'd to wait yer turn) and asked us about wur band etc. Then she say's "Oh my son's a musician" "Oh really?, Who's he with" says us "Well, Cream, Blind Faith etc....."

Naebody's mentioned Brian Connolly of the Sweet, who was both
A Born in Blantyre
B Taggart's Brother as any fule no.
or Midge Ure who was born in Cambuslang and in
A Baseball shirted Tam Paton managed proto boy band Slik
B Pointy moustached high tech chart toppers Ultravox!

Have we had a mention of The Soup Dragons yet? Bellshill me thinks, one hit, a cover of the Stones I'm Free, a song about a haberdashery salesman. The Jesus and Mary Chain are from East Kilbride, one major hit, Just like Honey, a song about a honey substitute sandwich spread popular at the time.

I think it shamefull that to date we've heard nothing about octagenarian, bekilted ethinic song specialist singing duo Fran and Anna, who hail from Coatbridge or indeed octagenarian, bekilted ethinic song specialist singing duo The Alexander Brothers, who hail from Wishaw.
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Midge Ure

Postby TommyDGNR8 » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:59 am

Wee foxy face also played with the Rich Kids and Thin Lizzy...

Did the TOTP theme with Phil Lynott...

And he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for Do They Know It's Christmas, (*edit* the song and music, rather than the event) despite what the loud-mouthed Irishman would have you believe.

That's quite a CV by anyone's standards.

I used to live round the corner from the Watt sisters. They always dressed as if they were onstage. Fran got a nice obituary in the Telegraph.
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby ianw23 » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:47 pm

Cyclo2000 wrote:Have we had a mention of The Soup Dragons yet? Bellshill me thinks, one hit, a cover of the Stones I'm Free, a song about a haberdashery salesman. The Jesus and Mary Chain are from East Kilbride, one major hit, Just like Honey, a song about a honey substitute sandwich spread popular at the time.


ok, here goes, my brief history of that part of glasgow's music scene. after postcard records around 1982 you had the pastels, steven pastel, brian superstar, bernice and martin hayward. the later three left leaving steven who was joined by aggie from edinburgh band buba and the shop assistants, who then became just, the shop assistants.
bobby gillespies first band the wake had releases on factory records (and factory benelux, mentioned elsewhere). he left around 1983 and started primal scream and not long after he also became the jesus and mary chains drummer. the pastels, buba and the shop assistants and primal scream all played together on 16th december 1984 in daddy warbucks in west george street (burnt down, now where waxy o'connors is?).
over in darkest bellshill the pretty flowers and various other bands were doing similar stuff. the pretty flowers were duglas stewart, francis mckee, later of the vaselines and many others including sean dickson (soup dragons) norman blake (teenage fanclub). both sean and norman had other bands at the time, sean with a band called adventure playground and norman had a band called the faith healers. after adventure playground sean was in the soup dragons who started around 1985 and norman was in a few bands, the most well known was the boy hairdressers before starting teenage fanclub. soup dragons member sushil dade went on to form future pilot aka. francis mckee went on to form the vaselines with eugene kelly who was in a band called the famous monsters (eugene is the brother of charlie kelly who was in another factory band of the time, secession). eugene then formed captain america who had to change their name for legal reasons to eugenius. minor pop star kurt cobain was a massive fan of the vaselines, eugene joined them in an early reading festival apperance to perform an old vaselines song.
by the mid eighties most of these bands had become friends and so a 'scene' was born. bobby gillespie and others started a club called splash one which played host to most of the bands of that scene plus many other bands, including an early appearance from sonic youth (1986), one of old punkers wire's first reunion gigs (1985) 23 skidoo and a riotous 15 minute gig from the mary chain. splash one was held around once a month in daddy warbucks (it may have been renamed by that time, '85/'86, cant recall.
my lunch hour is now over, thats all i can recall of the top of my head.
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby Blueboy » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:27 pm

Memorable Glasgow gigs and bands:

The Orchids - Fury Murrays - Mid 80's
Belle and Sebastian - QM - 95?
The Bachelor Pad - downstairs in some pub off Great Western Road 1987?
Delgados - Gig on the Green 2000
Trash Can Sinatras - Oran Mor 2004?

and loads of other wee bands that were on Egg records back in the day...

Fury Murrays was actually a great wee venue.

And what was the name of the place in West George Street? 46 West or something. I think it's where that Irish boozer is now. Saw the TV Personalities (not from Glasgow) play in there in complete darkness...Woooooo!
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby Dexter St. Clair » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:24 pm

A Baseball shirted Tam Paton managed proto boy band Slik


Delete Tam Paton insert Frank Lynch.

See above for

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The Captain's Rest is off Great Western Road and so was the Esquire House.
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby ianw23 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:06 am

Blueboy wrote:And what was the name of the place in West George Street? 46 West or something. I think it's where that Irish boozer is now. Saw the TV Personalities (not from Glasgow) play in there in complete darkness...Woooooo!


see post above!!! it was called amongst other things, daddy warbucks. when the tv-p's played it may have been part of the splash one club. if its the night i'm thinking of, sean dickson of the soup dragons played bass for the tv-p's.

great glasgow gigs by scottish, rather than just glasgow bands......

the pastels, buba and the shop assistants and primal scream - 16th dec 1984 - 46 west george street
simple minds - glasgow apollo 19th sept 1981
billy mackenzie and paul haig - sugar beat club 9th may 1986
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby Blueboy » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:48 am

ianw23 wrote:see post above!!!

Sorry! :oops: :oops:
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Re: Glasgow’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Postby stoop_uk » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:37 pm

Alex Glass suggested I post here, so my nomination is:

Tom Russell of 96.3 Rock Radio (and formerly of Radio Clyde). A top bloke who has a real passion for music (particularly rock) and has interviewed all the big names of Glasgow and beyond.
Stewart Priest
a cracking audio producer :: http://www.stewartpriest.com
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