Sectarianism in modern Glasgow

[peter]

As far as I can tell Sectarianism in Glasgow is alive and well. Is there any difference from a racist and a bigot .

[onyirtodd]

.................... Is there any difference from a racist and a bigot .

Yes.

[Roxburgh]

As far as I can tell Sectarianism in Glasgow is alive and well.

In what respect?

[jack_parlabane]

I was wearing a pale blue normal work shirt, and walking through town yesterday past M&S on Argyle St about 5, when I was asked if I would like my head removing from my shoulders for wearing that colour at their end of town. Said gentlemen were wearing nice green and white scarves around their necks.......sad....

Obviously that's out of order but I fail to see the sectarianism in that incident.

[Blueboy]

I was wearing a pale blue normal work shirt, and walking through town yesterday past M&S on Argyle St about 5, when I was asked if I would like my head removing from my shoulders for wearing that colour at their end of town. Said gentlemen were wearing nice green and white scarves around their necks.......sad....

Obviously that's out of order but I fail to see the sectarianism in that incident.

I'd have knocked fuck out them. But no, that's not sectarian - that's just football related tomfoolery.

[jack_parlabane]

I was wearing a pale blue normal work shirt, and walking through town yesterday past M&S on Argyle St about 5, when I was asked if I would like my head removing from my shoulders for wearing that colour at their end of town. Said gentlemen were wearing nice green and white scarves around their necks.......sad....

Obviously that's out of order but I fail to see the sectarianism in that incident.

I'd have knocked fuck out them. But no, that's not sectarian - that's just football related tomfoolery.

Indeed. That's my point. Too often incidents are labled as sectarian just because they involve Rangers or Celtic, when in reality they are football related.

[Roxburgh]

I was wearing a pale blue normal work shirt, and walking through town yesterday past M&S on Argyle St about 5, when I was asked if I would like my head removing from my shoulders for wearing that colour at their end of town. Said gentlemen were wearing nice green and white scarves around their necks.......sad....

Obviously that's out of order but I fail to see the sectarianism in that incident.

I'd have knocked fuck out them. But no, that's not sectarian - that's just football related tomfoolery.

Indeed. That's my point. Too often incidents are labled as sectarian just because they involve Rangers or Celtic, when in reality they are football related.

Generally speaking, it is considered sectarian if perpetrated by Rangers supporters and football related when perpetrated by Celtic supporters.

[Caltonboy]

Well, as a rangers fan, I can honestly say celtic have at least tried, maybe even cosmetically to eradicate sectrarian singing and behaviour at their ground, but rangers have done very little but bleed their fans dry and treat them like battery hens at games, and charge a fortune for the privilege.

[samscafeamericain]

I was wearing a pale blue normal work shirt, and walking through town yesterday past M&S on Argyle St about 5, when I was asked if I would like my head removing from my shoulders for wearing that colour at their end of town. Said gentlemen were wearing nice green and white scarves around their necks.......sad....

Obviously that's out of order but I fail to see the sectarianism in that incident.

I'd have knocked fuck out them. But no, that's not sectarian - that's just football related tomfoolery.

Indeed. That's my point. Too often incidents are labled as sectarian just because they involve Rangers or Celtic, when in reality they are football related.

Generally speaking, it is considered sectarian if perpetrated by Rangers supporters and football related when perpetrated by Celtic supporters.

Maybe that's because Rangers fans cannot separate supporting a football team and FTP

[Dexter St. Clair]

[Roxburgh]

Well, as a rangers fan, I can honestly say celtic have at least tried, maybe even cosmetically to eradicate sectrarian singing and behaviour at their ground, but rangers have done very little but bleed their fans dry and treat them like battery hens at games, and charge a fortune for the privilege.

Don't fall for the propaganda. Celtic have their fair share of "party" songs. Its just that they have convinced themselves and many others that they are "political" or "folk". The comment by samscafeamericain is a great example of the propaganda (although he is probaly naive enough to actually believe it).

But do a few unsavoury songs and chants mean that there is a sectarianism "problem"? Where is the evidence that sectarianism really impacts people in their daily lives? Is there evidence that people are discriminated against in the job market, in the housing market or socially becaise they are protestant or catholic? Steve Bruce in Sectarianism in Scotland provided evidence that there was no discrimination. No-one has yet been able to provide evidence to the contrary.

[onyirtodd]

........................... Steve Bruce in Sectarianism in Scotland provided evidence that there was no discrimination. No-one has yet been able to provide evidence to the contrary.

How do you prove that something doesn't exist?

[samscafeamericain]

Well, as a rangers fan, I can honestly say celtic have at least tried, maybe even cosmetically to eradicate sectrarian singing and behaviour at their ground, but rangers have done very little but bleed their fans dry and treat them like battery hens at games, and charge a fortune for the privilege.

Don't fall for the propaganda. Celtic have their fair share of "party" songs. Its just that they have convinced themselves and many others that they are "political" or "folk". The comment by samscafeamericain is a great example of the propaganda (although he is probaly naive enough to actually believe it).

But do a few unsavoury songs and chants mean that there is a sectarianism "problem"? Where is the evidence that sectarianism really impacts people in their daily lives? Is there evidence that people are discriminated against in the job market, in the housing market or socially becaise they are protestant or catholic? Steve Bruce in Sectarianism in Scotland provided evidence that there was no discrimination. No-one has yet been able to provide evidence to the contrary.

Sectariansm certainly did exist, a certain periscope manufacturing company formerly based at Anniesland Cross operated a quite blatant policy of employing only those that went to certain schools. Propaganda??? Priceless. Or do you mean that the fact people are no longer prepared to put up with songs of dancing in people's blood it seems like they are picking on the chanters.

I believe discrimination on grounds of religion has nearly disappeared (muslims may currently feel different) but sectarianism is more than restricting people's opportunities about a state of mind, its about spoken words, its about attitudes; which have a long way to go.

[myfriendstan]

Proor that sectarianism exists in Glasgow (at least on the 41 bus)

[Sydney Rosewater]

But do a few unsavoury songs and chants mean that there is a sectarianism "problem"? Where is the evidence that sectarianism really impacts people in their daily lives? Is there evidence that people are discriminated against in the job market, in the housing market or socially becaise they are protestant or catholic? Steve Bruce in Sectarianism in Scotland provided evidence that there was no discrimination. No-one has yet been able to provide evidence to the contrary.

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