Why doesn't Pollok have a "C"?

[hungryjoe]

For all of my life I assumed it did, same for Pollokshields and Pollokshaws.

[RDR]

The cricket club didn't have a 'k'

[Dexter St. Clair]

For all of my life I assumed it did, same for Pollokshields and Pollokshaws.

Use the search button

[Delmont St Xavier]

That's you told!

Meanwhile our 'man' Dex returns to his role in the Diplomatic Corps....

[hungryjoe]

For all of my life I assumed it did, same for Pollokshields and Pollokshaws.

Use the search button

I did, but I only scanned the first page. Oany mair a yer pish and I'll clout ye with a pile of magazines.

[brickwall]

it's full of C's, though.

[Icecube]

Why does it need to have a 'C' ?

[Josef]

Good question. Is there a linguist in the house?

Judging from the fact that I'm struggling to think of an English word that ends in a 'k' sound, and that has k as the last letter, that isn't spelt 'ck', I'm guessing it's more or less standard.

I note, though, that words ending in a k sound that do have a following letter are pronounced in Scots as if they hadn't. Take/tak', make/mak', that sort of thing.

[crusty_bint]

the etymology of the spelling of Pollok and all its geographic derivations, and variation in relation to the cricket club, is simple - there is no original fixed spelling. the proper spelling today was, in all probability, decided by the Maxwells/Stirling Maxwell's as the landowners and Feu Superiors.

[jodieohdoh]

Possible that it had a C originally and it was dropped along the way through various interpretations and map rewrites etc.

[hungryjoe]

If you come off the M77 southbound at Silverburn, the roadsign at the traffic lights says Pollock.

[RDR]

One of these mysterys, like place name pronounciation.
Why for instance, is:
Milingavie = Mulguy
Kilincadzow = Kilgeggie
Ravenstruther = Renstry
Strathhaven = Straven

[Josef]

One of these mysterys, like place name pronounciation.
Why for instance, is:
Milingavie = Mulguy
Kilincadzow = Kilgeggie
Ravenstruther = Renstry
Strathhaven = Straven

Strathhaven's easy. It's just a contraction, like Ne'erday or Halloween.

Milingavie is Milguy rather than Mulguy, probably - they sound remarkably similar in a WoS accent. There's probably a good reason for it, like the surname Home being pronounced Hume North of the Border. I switched broadband providers to Orange during the week, and it seems to be intermittently randomly failing to find random sites, which at the moment includes Google, so I can't go have a poke around.

I've never heard of the other two.

[RDR]

One of these mysterys, like place name pronounciation.
Why for instance, is:
Milingavie = Mulguy
Kilincadzow = Kilgeggie
Ravenstruther = Renstry
Strathhaven = Straven

Strathhaven's easy. It's just a contraction, like Ne'erday or Halloween.

Milingavie is Milguy rather than Mulguy, probably - they sound remarkably similar in a WoS accent. There's probably a good reason for it, like the surname Home being pronounced Hume North of the Border. I switched broadband providers to Orange during the week, and it seems to be intermittently randomly failing to find random sites, which at the moment includes Google, so I can't go have a poke around.

I've never heard of the other two.

Ravenstruther is out near Carstairs Junction. Train spotters will know it by the coal transfer yard for trains at it.
Kilncadzow is a village on the road from Carnwath out to Peebles.
I suppose another one is Dalzell pronounced Daell or another example Menzies spoken as Mingus. You reckon that is just shortening as well?
Bridegton is also often said as Brigton as well.

[Toaster]

One of these mysterys, like place name pronounciation.
Why for instance, is:
Milingavie = Mulguy
Kilincadzow = Kilgeggie
Ravenstruther = Renstry
Strathhaven = Straven

Strathhaven's easy. It's just a contraction, like Ne'erday or Halloween.

Milingavie is Milguy rather than Mulguy, probably - they sound remarkably similar in a WoS accent. There's probably a good reason for it, like the surname Home being pronounced Hume North of the Border. I switched broadband providers to Orange during the week, and it seems to be intermittently randomly failing to find random sites, which at
the moment includes Google, so I can't go have a poke around.

I've never heard of the other two.

Ravenstruther is out near Carstairs Junction. Train spotters will know it by the coal transfer yard for trains at it.
Kilncadzow is a village on the road from Carnwath out to Peebles.
I suppose another one is Dalzell pronounced Daell or another example Menzies spoken as Mingus. You reckon that is just shortening as well?
Bridegton is also often said as Brigton as well.

On contractions like Strathaven, there's also Borrowstounness, which most folk know as Bo'ness.

The 'Z' thing in Dalziel, Menzies, and other words comes from the yogh letter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogh, which exists in Scots and used to exist in Middle English. Depending on where it occurs in a word, it gets anglicised to either a Y, or a GH. However when printed, a Z was often substituted, so a confusion of pronunciation started - compare Lenzie, which is never pronounced "Lingie" with Menzies.

The pronunciation of Ravenstruther fits with the Fife fishing port of a similar name: the Scots name for Anstruther is Enster).