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Postby crusty_bint » Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:42 pm

Did anyone get that Glasgow magazine through the door yesterday???

I was just reading through it and theres a two page article on the Crosslink proposal of integrating our railways via the Strathbungo Link...

Any you train buffs nknow anything about it???
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Postby james73 » Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:26 pm

Didn't see the paper you're referring to, but there's more on it
here: http://www.spt.co.uk/Microsites/Crossrail/index.html

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Basically, it uses what's left of the St Enoch infrastructure to link the North
and South rail lines. It's been on the drawing board since at least 1973.
The 'High St Curve' is an entirely new section and as far as I know it means
moving High St station a bit to the east. The so-called 'Strathbungo Link'
is on the old viaduct which heads south away from the Gorbals. Luckily
the viaduct and bridges are still there despite them lifting the tracks years
ago. There is a missing bridge over the Central main lines at Eglinton Toll
which will need to be rebuilt. I'm not sure whether or not they're planning
to create a new station at Glasgow Cross - years ago they floated the
idea of an interchange at Glasgow Cross by reopening the old station
on the Argyle line, and building a station on the City Union line viaduct.




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Postby crusty_bint » Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:19 pm

Pity you didnt see it!

The article is basically an interview with Cllr Alistair Watson who's pushing the scheme. It talks of a new interchange station on West St (similar to that in Partick) as well as a new station at Glasgow Cross/High St (could this be the re-instatement of the old station on the Argyll line?) as well as a possible station in the Gorbals.
The Scottish Transport Minister granted SPTA the £500,000 they wanted for the engineering assessment. Theyve also come up with a figure of £85million for the entire works!

Heres hopin it goes ahead!

(PS cheers for the reply... howd'u get so good??? ::): )
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Postby Pgcc93 » Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:46 am

Hopefully this will be one of the major projects of the new century. Not just brushed aside for the next generation to pick up on.

Transportation of people en-mass is a very recent phenomena in historical terms and if it has to remain sustainable, projects like Crossrail etc. must go ahead.
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Postby james73 » Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:15 pm

There used to be a station in the Gorbals. The Brazen Head pub building
is the old station building. There was also a station on the existing
section where it crosses over the Central Station main lines, Cumberland
Street - apparently it closely resembled Paisley Gilmore Street, as that
section initially had 4 tracks.



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Postby crusty_bint » Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:40 pm

I totally agree Pgcc... lets hope we dont have another fiasco like that damn motorway and something comes to fruition! 30 years is an outragous timescale!

Jamjes, Iv noticed the station at Cumberland St... whata sad state of play Iv often thought... never knew about the Brazen station tho
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Postby james73 » Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:39 pm

crusty_bint wrote:...as well as a new station at Glasgow Cross/High St (could this be the re-instatement of the old station on the Argyll line?)...


Could be, but I dont think it is. Last I heard, they wanted to open a station
at Bridgate and link it, stupidly IMHO, to the arse-side of Argyle Street
station via a SECC-style covered walkway. Daft, eh?

The initial idea was to create an interchange at Glasgow Cross using the
quite splendid Mercat Building as the station building. They would re-open
the old subterreanean Glasgow Cross station (an island platform I believe)
and open a station on the viaduct above that wallpaper shop (Untouchables?).
I found on the internet recently that there had once been a station up there,
it was a long time ago, but presumably the room must be still there.

If it's of any interest, Jim Howie's excellent rail site has an interesting
alternative to the Crossrail proposals, which includes closing Queen St
High Level entirely 8O , and creating a new Trongate station, at which
Glasgow to Edinburgh services would terminate. His 'Garngad Chord'
suggestion is something that SPT themselves have already mentioned.

http://www.jhowie.force9.co.uk/crossrail.htm

Personally, I reckon no station will be built at Glasgow Cross/Bridgate
initially, and the SPT will then push for an interchange station a few years
down the line. At least, that's what I hope :) - first priority should be to
get Crossrail up and running.


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Postby Pgcc93 » Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:29 pm

Well whatever happens Re: layout, lets hope we get it either way.
The truth is, on any large scale transport project time is no enemy for those who have the final say in the matter. Whether it takes 10 or 20 years doesn't seem to matter, in fact the latter may ring true.


Here's hoping that recently appointed SPTE Chairman Alistair Watson will
deliver the goods, and there's fair chance he will.
As his roots in the rail network of Glasgow (Train Driver with Scotrail until june 2003) Ok He might have a bias towards rail projects but not exclusivley, as he seems to pop up more times than any othe Glasgow Councilor whether it be 'The Herald' or 'The Evening Times' @ least he puts his case forward for the people of the West of Scotland on many diverse subjects.

Lets face it Glasgow is The 'real' Capital of Scotland no matter what history says about Edinburgh. Ok it's got a fabulous castle and some great
pubs. But what else? a £40 million building with a £500million en-suite bunker. Anyone guess what this is. (sorry no prizes;-)

Glasgow demands the Best and we'll get it.

That was a Party political Broadcast on behalf of PGCC.

Ooh Er' did I go off topic? :oops:

Rant over
PS: I hate politics, but you can't avoid them :cry:


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Postby james73 » Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:06 am

Pgcc93 wrote:Here's hoping that recently appointed SPTE Chairman Alistair Watson will
deliver the goods, and there's fair chance he will.
As his roots in the rail network of Glasgow (Train Driver with Scotrail until june 2003) Ok He might have a bias towards rail projects but not exclusivley, as he seems to pop up more times than any othe Glasgow Councilor whether it be 'The Herald' or 'The Evening Times' @ least he puts his case forward for the people of the West of Scotland on many diverse subjects.


Aye, this Watson guy seems like one of the good guys - he's aye sticking
his oar in when they're talking about new public transport projects. Hope
he's around for a while.



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Postby crusty_bint » Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:31 pm

I found this article on the GCC website.

POLICY

Development applications that would impinge directly on the ability to facilitate the development and construction of the following transport infrastructure schemes will be refused planning permission (see the Proposals Map and the plan accompanying this policy).

1. RAIL ROUTES

*Northern Suburban Extension (including Dawsholm/Kelvindale station);
*Crossrail (including West Street, Gorbals, Glasgow Cross high and low level stations and High Street (east and west sites);
*Garngad Chord;Carmyle to Newton Chord; and
*Strathbungo Link.

2. RAIL STATIONS

*Blochairn/Garngad;
*Bogleshole/Cambuslang Investment Park;
*Drumchapel (relocation);
*Ibrox;
*Jordanhill West;
*Parkhead Forge; and
*Robroyston, Millerston or Germiston.


Sounds promising :D
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Postby Fossil » Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:04 pm

…I wonder if this has something to do with the M74 motorway link up Crusty. ?

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Postby scotia47 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:54 pm

crusty_bint wrote:I found this article on the GCC website.

POLICY

Development applications that would impinge directly on the ability to facilitate the development and construction of the following transport infrastructure schemes will be refused planning permission (see the Proposals Map and the plan accompanying this policy).

1. RAIL ROUTES

*Northern Suburban Extension (including Dawsholm/Kelvindale station);
*Crossrail (including West Street, Gorbals, Glasgow Cross high and low level stations and High Street (east and west sites);
*Garngad Chord;Carmyle to Newton Chord; and
*Strathbungo Link.

2. RAIL STATIONS

*Blochairn/Garngad;
*Bogleshole/Cambuslang Investment Park;
*Drumchapel (relocation);
*Ibrox;
*Jordanhill West;
*Parkhead Forge; and
*Robroyston, Millerston or Germiston.


Sounds promising :D


Agreed. :D I just hope that the evil, pus-filled, excrement-spewing, rotting, oxygen-stealing, shouldn't-be-allowed-to-live phenomenon of NIMBYism isn't allowed to rear its revolting head. :evil:

(As you've probably guessed, I hate NIMBYs.)
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Postby james73 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:08 pm

Disused rail formations are a valuable resource and have the potential for transport use, either for future extensions to the transport network or for the pedestrian and/or cycle networks. Development proposals that involve breaking the continuity of former rail formations will be subject to close scrutiny. Alternative transport uses should always be considered as the first option.


Hmmm... :roll:




1. RAIL ROUTES

Northern Suburban Extension (including Dawsholm/Kelvindale station);
Crossrail (including West Street, Gorbals, Glasgow Cross high and low level stations and High Street (east and west sites);
Garngad Chord;Carmyle to Newton Chord; and
Strathbungo Link.


:? The Carmyle to Newton chord? Is this purely to stop the local neds
fighting each other from opposite sides of the still-extant bridge over the Clyde
or is there a point to restoring a line that would only include Carmyle station
in any future services? See they're serious about the Gargad Chord though.
That's a LOT of earth moving, folks...





2. RAIL STATIONS

Blochairn/Garngad;
Bogleshole/Cambuslang Investment Park;
Drumchapel (relocation);
Ibrox;
Jordanhill West;
Parkhead Forge; and
Robroyston, Millerston or Germiston.


Jordanhill West?!? :? You could literly walk along the line from Hyndland
to Jordanhill in about 3 minutes flat. Ibrox & Parkhead Forge are old
stations - they'll be fun on matchdays... Garngad station's an old one too -
it was on the Royston Road bridge next to the car showroom.





4. FORMER RAILWAY FORMATIONS

(i) There will be a presumption in favour of the retention of former railway formations with the potential for transport use, including former track bed, embankments, retaining walls, tunnels and bridges (see accompanying plan).

(ii) The status of parts of former rail formations which do not appear on the accompanying plan because they have been subject to development (including infill), will be reviewed when the site through which they pass is being considered for redevelopment. When this occurs on a former route with the potential for transport use, the prospect of restoring the missing link, either on the original or on an alternative alignment, will be considered with a view to safeguarding any required reservation.

(iii) Where a former railway formation passes through a development site and forms part of the proposed pedestrian and cycle network, developers will be required either to incorporate and implement the route as part of their application, or to provide an acceptable alternative.

(iv) Any road or rail scheme that affects a former railway formation which is part of an existing walking and/or cycle network, must ensure that the integrity of these networks is retained and, where appropriate, make provision for an alternative route for such facilities.


It's a pity this attitude never existed in the past, before roads and housing
schemes obliterated dozens of railway formations in and around the city.




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Postby scotia47 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:42 pm

james73 wrote:It's a pity this attitude never existed in the past, before roads and housing
schemes obliterated dozens of railway formations in and around the city.

Too true. :( Ironically, the housing estate/ned reserve where I live lies slap bang on the path of the old Kelvin Valley line, which ran from Maryhill up to Kilsyth. The area where this line split from the existing one (near the site of the existing Summerston station) is now occupied by an Asda. Further north there has been heavy landscaping and many houses built, including mine. Beyond that, however, there's really not much there except loads of farmland. I've heard that it's still possible to see remnants of the line in this area (including the old Summerston station), but I've never been able to verify this.

Other examples I can think of are Kirklee, Paisley Canal and the Clydeside Expressway. I'm sure someone else (james73) can give a better estimate of the number of areas of former railway lines which have been developed on, and how easy/hard/impossible it would be to deal with them in case of any transport restoration.
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Postby crusty_bint » Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:08 am

The Paisley Canal Line is in operation, my mate lives in the the converted station house at Crookston.
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