Identity Cards

[paladin]

I hereby claim copyright © of my genetic features.

You can keep the eyeshadow to yourself Capt.

ID cards is just a complete FUBAR.

[trickntoots]

The idea of ID cards has it's ludicrous side...

I reside in Canada..pay all kinds of taxes to allow MP to travel first class...My already taxed income is taxed again for roads, health and healthy retirement funds for MPs....... have my UK passport....

If I leave Canada....I require an official Permanent Resident Card to get back in. Cost $50.00 and a pain in the rear to fill in the form.

My family come and visit me.... they walk right in with a UK passport..
me that helps build the bliddy roads for them to travel on has to show the Perm Res Card to get back in along withy my passport....... my family are a bunch of loonies with bliddy onion slice, haggis and whisky up thur jooks....

me ....I'm feart to even wear a kirby grip going through the sensors.

If the UK brings out the same routine for visitors.....

Just reverse everything up above ......

I can come and go in and out of the UK as I please....... you fellahs that build the road have to PAY for that freedom.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH A SIMPLE PASSPORT......

Too easy to forge? So is the Permanent Resident Card....

I abhor discrimination of any kind.....

[Apollo]

On an interview this morning, they're worried the card is getting to too expensive (why did this rest of us see that months ago?) so their solution is to make it less expensive for poor people, and more expensive for rich people.

I this beginning to sound like a tax to anyone?

Maybe it's just a farce, it's certainly getting sillier as it goes along, and they're clearly at the stage where they're making things up now.

[DMcNay]

I'll look more carefully next time I'm surprised they were withdrawn as late as 1952

Rationing didn't end until the 1950s either.

[paladin]

I this beginning to sound like a tax to anyone?

Quite simply, everything a government does/brings in is a tax, as it's the taxpayers who pay for all these cost-consuming ideas.

ID cards seems to lead the way in consuming vast amounts of taxpayers money whilst showing little or nothing in return.

[trickntoots]

The ID card is the peace pipe for America......an appeaser and an idiotic stance.....it's a pretendie fight against terrorism.

If America would like to bend over I would like to show it where I would be more than happy to shuv it.......

Id cards are a pathetic attempt to thwart terrorism. The ones that are determined to hide themselves and their agenda can do it wih their own home made ID cards.


I have left my Canadian home three times..... each time because of the delay in getting the Pernanent Resident Card I have had to go to Canadian Embassies for temporary visas to get back in.....at a cost of $50.00 each per visa(that doesn't include the days travelling to and from the freaking Candian Embassy)The temp one is exactly like the real thing but only good for one visit(even though I am just coming back to my OWN home)........ it is the biggest crock of money grabbing inconvenience that exists to lick Americas arse.....

[Apollo]

For the benefit of those that missed it, the goverment minister who was supposed to appear on a BBC2 programme around lunchtime today, and answer questions about ID cards pulled out shortly before it. The other guests reckoned he'd seen performances earlier in the day, and thought better of it.

There was an interesting point rasied in the programme though, to the effect that this (take your pick) £3, 6, 10, 15 or 19 billion pound exercise was going to be a massive waste of money regardless, as it would be a British ID card. In 10 years or so, Europe would be legislating for a European-wide ID card, and of course, the British item would not be acceptable, so all the investment would go in the bin, and we'd all have to pay again to bring the EuroID card into being.

[paladin]

For the benefit of those that missed it, the goverment minister who was supposed to appear on a BBC2 programme around lunchtime today, and answer questions about ID cards pulled out shortly before it. The other guests reckoned he'd seen performances earlier in the day, and thought better of it.

So it wasn't a lack of ID that prevented him getting into the Studios


Damn.

[Apollo]

Oh dear, the folk at the LSE must be getting a bit to close for comfort.

Tony Blair all but called them liars outright.

[Sir Roger DeLodgerley]

The ID card is the peace pipe for America......an appeaser and an idiotic stance.....it's a pretendie fight against terrorism.

Interestingly I heard an interview with Liberty this morning which quoted George Bush as saying that compulsory ID cards were far too illiberal for the USA. He was alleged to have made his comments in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

So, if the US doesn't consider that ID cards have a role to play in the fight against terrorism, and Spain, which already has them, has proved vulnerable to terrorist attack, can we please stop the pretence that ID cards are anything to do with preventing terrorist attacks?

[Apollo]

You just reminded me about a comment in the BBC2 interview I mentioned above (they managed to entice a pro-ID card MP on to replace the no-show) and the inerviewer countered his arguement that ID would be a major benefit in the fight against crime.

He pointed out that Italy has a compulsory ID card scheme in place, and that he was pretty sure that some little criminal organisation was still operating there without too much offcial interfernce, possibly the Mafia.

MP's response... ? I honestly forget, but most likley "Well, of course our system would be different and so much better with biometric wafffle waffle waffle..."

[trickntoots]

I rarely if ever do as I am told when I FEEL something inside ....

Spain has it's own issues regarding whom is in it's country and why.

Our ID cards were introduced almost immediately after 911. For me to cross our border into the states I require a passport and a Perm Res Card or else I get pulled over, need more ID and then I have to pay to enter. If I dont come back to Canada in a few weeks they know I am an illegal. red flagged. The ID card is trust from my government here that I am in fact a trusted resident and not a fly by night person with an agenda. A trust card for America that costs me so many times....

These ID cards are costly peaces of mind. If every procedure to be followed is followed so that persons accessing your health care system/welfare/social services agencies then there should be no problems. More clerks, more staff, more training is required at less cost than the cards.

ID cards are not required to know whom is in the country and when they should leave. Passports already do that.

By the way, when I walk into Glasgow early A.M. on a visit home there are NO checks. Walk right in..walk right out the front doors with a great big dirty smile on my face. What good is that when visitors/Scottish people come home from Spain/Turkey/ France with too much exotic wine and "Extremists" in your suitcase. More staff at airports before 8.00 arrivals is the answer there..not an ID card that no one is seeing.

I am aware that anything politically said is tinged with behind the scenes reasoning. Some I understand, some I dont but I can agree with it for I dont know the real needs when it comes to the security of a country.......... this permanent resident card...I don't agree with it at all.
It's awful hard removing intuitive/gut feelings from this heart of mine. Seeing it efficiently and effectivley working will be a surprise.

[trickntoots]

I have the paper to do just that.....I should have done it years ago but time and everything else came first....

Dual citizenship is on the cards now.

[Captain Brittles]

To think I recommended this site to George Parsonage a couple of weeks ago .............. "Its a good site George - have a look in"


He must have took one look and ran a mile when he saw the porn the mods post.

[trickntoots]

look on the brighside.....

There are now how many jobs created? HH sunshine.... looks like you might be eligble for a yooth training scheme in photography......