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Postby Alex Glass » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:13 pm

The memorial in Victotia Park to the war dead of Partick & Whiteinch.
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Postby Alex Glass » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:36 pm

The Eastern Necropolis at the Gallowgate entrance has a War Memorial Cross.

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Also in this cemetery is a War Memorial Headstone I think is unusual. Does anyone know of any other headstones not provided by the IWGC?

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The inscription reads

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It looks like a family headstone but has a military symbol at the top.
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Postby DMcNay » Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:18 pm

Not all Commonwealth War Graves have the standard headstone.

In cemeteries in this country you'll find a lot of family stones, but they are still considered war graves. You'll also find a lot of family stones noting the names of sons killed in France which aren't war graves because the sons are buried in France.

Yer man Foster was acutally Irish. Here's his details from the CWGC site:

Name: FOSTER
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 3rd Reserve Bn.
Age: 45
Date of Death: 09/08/1917
Service No: 11356
Additional information: Son of William and Margaret Foster; husband of Jessie Jamieson Foster, of 35, Braemar St., Langside, Glasgow. Born at Ballymena, Co. Antrim.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 2. 814.
Cemetery: GLASGOW EASTERN NECROPOLIS
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Postby Alex Glass » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:42 pm

Thanks Doc

Lots of info from CWGC.

I have images of six other graves 5 from WWI and 1 from WWII.

Wasn't aware that there are different headstones. This one is particularly good. Have you seen any others in and around Glasgow?
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Postby peter » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:04 pm

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This memorial on loch Lomond seems to be a War Memorial but not sure if an official one . Has only been there a few years.
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Postby Ronnie » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:15 pm

peter wrote:This memorial on loch Lomond seems to be a War Memorial but not sure if an official one . Has only been there a few years.


Ye gods and little fishes! What an ugly brute of a monument.
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Postby Sharon » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:52 pm

I have always thought it looked like the sights on a gun... what it's aiming for i dont know though...
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Postby DMcNay » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:42 pm

Alex Glass wrote:Thanks Doc

Lots of info from CWGC.

I have images of six other graves 5 from WWI and 1 from WWII.

Wasn't aware that there are different headstones. This one is particularly good. Have you seen any others in and around Glasgow?


Depends what you mean by different headstones. A CWGC grave can have either a private stone (which will look like any gravestone and have no set style) or it will be a Commission headstone.

Here's some info on the Commission, together with a bit in bold to explain the headstone style:

The individual headstones give the name (and often the age) of the man buried there, with his rank and number, military unit and regimental badge. Usually a cross, Star of David or other religious emblem is shown; and in very many cases a brief personal inscription is carved at the foot of the stone, chosen by the dead man’s family. All the victims are treated as equal in death, with no distinction made between the different military ranks.

Each of the many men whose bodies could not be identified also has his own grave. They all have the same plain statement, a phrase chosen by the writer Rudyard Kipling (whose only son was killed in action and whose body was only identified decades later): ‘A Soldier of the Great War, Known Unto God’."

Here also is a unique inscription for you. This stone is in one of the French cemeteries:


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Postby DMcNay » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:47 pm

sharon wrote:I have always thought it looked like the sights on a gun... what it's aiming for i dont know though...


Here's the load of wank the artist came out with:

Describing his winning sculpture which is made of Karin grey granite, Mr Cocker said:

“The work comprises of a ring, three metres high, with a centred pyramid on its lower section. The pyramid’s apex is just below human eye level. The work is a balance of space and solid, acting as a foil for the receding waters of the loch.

“Its pyramid echoes the distant Ben Vorlich and the nearby Loch Lomond. The configuration of slabs confirm a sense of perspective, implying a vanishing point at and beyond the pyramid’s apex.

“The sculpture was designed to be sited on the small finger of land looking northward over the loch. Its configuration, context and backdrop very evidently invite looking through. It functions as a punctuation for the landscape in which it stands.

“The forms of the sculpture have no intended symbolism. It is a formalist object, seeking to explore and exploit material, proportion, space, light and vision.”
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Postby Alex Glass » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:21 pm

Hi Doc

Thanks for all this info it makes you think more about what you are looking at.

"Shot at dawn" Strange!

Will spend more time reading each stone from now on.
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Postby Fossil » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:44 pm

Took this today out Eastwood Cemetery
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Now it wasn’t till I got home and noticed the inscription
D Deans Served as 4260 Private D Gordon :?:

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Postby Alex Glass » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:51 pm

Hi Foss

Did you not get a pic of the War Memorial at Eastwood? I believe there is one there.
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Postby Fossil » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:58 pm

We were in the old part didn’t have enough time today- next time :)

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Postby DMcNay » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:43 pm

Alex Glass wrote:

"Shot at dawn" Strange!


That's the grave of a man who was executed by firing squad. When his father found out he had the inscription put on.

Remember, to the CWGC all men are equal after death, regardless of rank, colour, creed or how they died.
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Postby DMcNay » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:46 pm

Modern Fossil wrote:Took this today out Eastwood Cemetery
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Now it wasn’t till I got home and noticed the inscription
D Deans Served as 4260 Private D Gordon :?:

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Joined up under a false name. Happened quite a bit, for various reasons. In this guys case, probably because he was 46 years old, and therefore overage. So he gives a false name, lies about his age, and hey presto.

Here's his CWGC info:

Name: DEANS
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 46
Date of Death: 04/07/1915
Service No: 4260
Additional information: (Served as GORDON). Son of David and Maggie Gordon Deans; husband of Mary Maley Hogg Deans, of 91, Commercial Rd., South Side, Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Old. C. 558.
Cemetery: GLASGOW (EASTWOOD) CEMETERY
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